February 28, 2020 100

The School-To-Prison Pipeline Debate: SROs & Why Student Arrests Are Increasing…

The School-To-Prison Pipeline Debate: SROs & Why Student Arrests Are Increasing…


100 Replies to “The School-To-Prison Pipeline Debate: SROs & Why Student Arrests Are Increasing…”

  • Rogue Rocket says:

    How do you think we balance school safety, with school discipline when it comes to student arrests and SROs in the US? Does it exist? Is it already happening? What do you think of the statistics laid out in the video? Let us know in the comments down below.

  • lightace says:

    i live in a rural town in tennessee, and my school had 3 sros. the officers at my school never made me feel safe. they obsiouly had their favorite students and interacted with them almost like they were friends on an equal level. it was obvious that if there was ever an altercatoin between myself and some of these students, i would have been concerned about the situation not being treated fairly.

    there's also the fact that i never saw them doing anything :security" related. most of the time i saw them strutting around or sitting on their asses. 😛

  • The Kojin says:

    Just raise your children right and you wont have this problem 🙂

  • The Kojin says:

    Because black kids dont play im not being racist 😂 they will fight you for just lookin at them wrong. They strong af they dont play.

  • CeliceDS says:

    More government control,more misery, but hey muh free money…

  • Whofan06 says:

    The logic of arresting or expelling kids for minor offences to make them afraid of worse punishments is so idiotic. If you fuck up a kids life over something so insignificant and menial, you're teaching them that adults are jackasses who will not treat you fairly or even reasonably. You couldn't guarantee worse behavior if you tried, especially among teenagers who are more prone to seeing errors in adults reasonings and defying them.

  • Matthew Murillo says:

    The severity of punishments for Zero Tolerance Policies is atrocious. I cant tell you how many times I got in trouble for defending myself against bullies and racists at school only to get reprimanded for throwing a punch back or fighting off my attackers.

  • deleted44 says:

    My school had two SRO's who were always there, and I mostly only saw during passing periods or drug searches. I remember them pinning a guy to a wall once, and there were conflicting stories about the kid either spitting at the SRO, or trying to grab something off his belt. When one of the special ed kids went on a rampage, they tazed him and got reassigned. The replacement SRO's were both female, and I barely saw them.

    We also had an officer posted to parking lot by our school after the white drug dealers attacked the black drug dealers with baseball bats as a retaliation. That guy was just so intimidating no one went over there for the next few months.

  • Floyd Fernandez says:

    No to police in schools. Police are trained to enforce laws not rehabilitation. Kids are not criminals the need staff the teach stamp out dissension.

  • Smudolini the Great Dragobear says:

    You know what would help with gun threats in schools? Take a guess….

  • PhobosDynami says:

    I feel like this video was more a look at SROs and zero tolerance policies. The school-to-prison pipeline mostly exists because certain neighborhoods get no funding for their school. This leads to a lack of good faculty, supplies, and education. People leave with no real education and fall into a life of crime to survive. And I think zero tolerance policies are a bigger deal than SROs. You will always have jackasses in life looking to abuse their power, this could easily be a teacher. Zero tolerance policies make it so that if one kid punches another for no reason, they both get suspended for fighting, even if the second kid did nothing.

  • icefang111 says:

    As someone from Canada "Willful Defiance" sounds like some distopain shit, are ya'll alright down there?????

  • Jake Stoneking says:

    SRO's and things like "Zero Tolerance" policies are in no way meant to be utilized for the safety of the students, but rather to remove any kind of culpability from the schools and their staff. If they actually cared about the students' safety, they wouldn't continue to pass the buck along all while claiming that their "hands are tied" whenever a student is in crisis or presents a legitimate threat.

    Problem is, in order to fix this issue, we'd all have to work to overhaul the entire system in order to make a more constant, coherent line of communication between the student, their parent(s), and their teachers instead of treating school like a daycare center with an authoritarian regime, full of people with nothing but "tied hands" whenever things get rough.

  • kurisu7885 says:

    I imagine privately operated for-profit prisons aren't helping matters either.

  • GrimDelawake says:

    Wow this is funny I don't remember the cops getting a nice name or letters like SRO. They were just there stationed outside my school and the staff were happy to remind us that they were there as like a threat.

  • Redfenrir says:

    So unfortunately this isn't all to do with the schools how does this fall on children to not fuck up as well as why would you be sent to jail at all parents need to raise there children better as well as schools need to be understanding in the fact that they are dealing with children. Why even send children to jail at all, someone isn't dead or fucked up there's no reason for police to be involved. And as to zero tolerance ugh if you aren't gonna press zero tolerance to everyone in the country or state why are you doing it to the kids. That simply doesn't make any damn sense to treat the children as they are the ones in the wrong when they aren't being raised with the right values or sense of mind to make the right choices… Guess the judicial system is more inclined to fuck up lives and let rapist, murders, and molesters walk free but fuck up kids lives cuz they are kids when they should teach them to be better.

  • icewolf250 says:

    Holy shit. Another reason I'm so happy to live in the UK. Never heard of a school even having a police officer here.

  • Chris Kelly says:

    If arrests are down overall,but have gone up in schools, then the problem seems to lie with the SROs. They are not helping they are causing a problem

  • long boiye says:

    yet another reason why i'm glad to not live in america.

  • SeabassFishbrains says:

    I had a SRO at my middle school (I was in middle school from 2008-2011), he made every student feel unsafe and he had a habit of harassing disabled and female students. My school had major issues with shooting and bombing threats being written on the bathroom walls and police were being called to the school for these threats as often as twice a week. My school was assigned an SRO and the school assigned adult hall monitors outside of every bathroom which would take the name of every student that used the bathroom, timed each student while in the bathroom and regularly checked the stall walls for threats. These monitors made LGBT students, students with disabilities and students with anxiety feel like they couldn't use the bathroom at all. I know I never once used the school bathrooms the entire time I was in middle school, I just held it all day because I am LGBT and I was constantly getting detentions at school for so called "cross-dressing", I felt incredibly targeted and bullied by the adults at that school and my name was on most of the hit lists that were left in those bathrooms to begin with. I also had a friend with Epilepsy who was restrained and cuffed by the SRO, nearly arrested and was suspended for "violent behavior" for having a seizure in class. He was only not arrested because his mom (who as a 911 dispatcher) came in and yelled that cops head off for endangering her kid when the school knew full well that he has Epilepsy. It is incredibly dangerous and not okay to restrain, let alone handcuff someone who is having a seizure as it can actually break their bones. And even though it was clear that he was seizing, not trying to hit other students, the school still suspended him because his arm (which he had no control over) slapped the student that was sitting next to him, even though that student was not hurt.

    I think that police who don't go through any special training to deal with kids and disabled people should have no right to enter a public school. And I think that schools need to handle threats of violence with incredible sensitivity and care towards students. Treating every student like a criminal under surveillance is unacceptable.

  • Forcemaster2000 says:

    Treat a child like a criminal, they're likely to become a criminal!

  • Aden Cox says:

    I truly am happy that my secondary school didn't have these officers, heck small town we didn't even have a police station. I know that if they did I would have been arrested more times than I can think. I had numerous suspensions, technically expelled once. I had teachers tell me they hated me, one still does. And all of this just because I was the first kid in that school to have autism. Glad I now live 1500 km away.

  • Dick Burns says:

    If getting suspended increases your chances of dropping out i should have dropped out and reenrolled in several schools. Ive also never been arrested and i had a great upbringing. I was typically suspended because i was bored TBH. Stuff like playing hacky sack with my friends.

  • Financial Shinanigan says:

    Sadly schools are basically businesses and having unruly students give them bad reputation and lead to reduced funding. Explains willingness to enforce zero tolerance rather than funding better deescalation methods and student counseling.

  • chishionotenshi says:

    When you combine unrestricted Zero Tolerance policies with SRO's, at best you get a habit of relying on a police officer to solve disciplinary actions. But if you're using a police officer, you're not using a guidance counselor. If you're not using a guidance counselor, the child has no advocate. A child with no advocate will feel attacked, cornered, and unheard. It's like you're treating them like a proven criminal instead of a child. Combine this with systemic racist theories taught to our police force, and the inherent physical power imbalance between an adult and a child, and what exactly is anyone expecting but the precise scenarios we have seen, over and over?

  • Eric D says:

    Zero tolerance policies are always bad, there is no excuse for them

  • Erica Colburn says:

    Maybe I misinterpreted the video or missed something here but the information presented seems biased. I feel like I don't yet have an opinion one way or another, as this is the first time I'm seeing this idea presented. That being said, it seems like there is information and statistics that are not being shown in order to drive an agenda. What are the statistics for kids who really were causing a serious problem; were, versus were not processed in this way; and then continued on in life causing problems that eventually landed them behind bars? Really I'm wondering about there being a problem in these kids before they were ever disciplined by the schools, etc; meaning: what percentage of these kids would have gone on to wind up in prison anyway based on inherent issues within their person, regardless of how they were disciplined in school? I feel like the school system is being blamed and that a fuller picture isn't being shown. Again though, maybe I missed something in the video and am way off base here.

  • Jeffrey Ball says:

    So you're saying that because there are officers on campus, students are being arrested? Makes sense to me. If there's an officer posted in a neighborhood, it's likely more people will receive speeding violations or other citations. How is this a fair correlation to education?
    The "no tolerance policy" is difficult to argue. It's in place for a reason though. If a student brings a weapon to school, no matter its intent, it's a threat. There are much less threatening examples, but hopefully that gives some scope. The current issue, IMO, is that students simply do not have proper home discipline and that schools are overcrowded and that causes students to act out. There is a lot going on in the world, and even more going on for students. Trying to find ways to cope and deal with this is difficult for their young minds. They find ways to release these feelings in inappropriate ways causing disciplinary issues. The policies in place do not always line up with what the average adult would see as being fair. Currently there are some school districts where drugs and violence and considered minor violations, but bullying and cyber bullying are considered major violations. Bullying is also a no tolerance policy and action must be taken immediately and an investigation conducted in less than 24hrs. Things like that also drain resources and do not allow schools to do what they need to; educate.
    Students who act out and fall into this "pipeline", are the same students who are not being educated. Due to their discipline issues, they do not always receive the education they need.
    One last note. The data does not clarify who a "disabled" student is. My guess is that they put all students with learning disabilities into this category. "Learning disabilities" are such a broad description of a student, but those with learning disabilities do have more difficulty coping with their young minds and their world, that it does not surprise me that they would act out more.

  • Tovarish Works says:

    That law actually effected me personally. I was 13 years old, it was around 2002. I had a gerber folding pocket knife in school. They expelled me. edit: they specifically called it a no-tolerance policy

  • Yves Belliveau says:

    Did have one, definitely did not make me feel safe. He would always try to start shit, make something out of nothing when kids were just being harmless kids. He would 100% make it his business when things were completely non-violent and should have been dealt with by staff.

  • lilykep says:

    When I was in school the worst thing we were threatened with was a disciplinary action going on our "permanent record", now if you get in trouble in school you HAVE a record.

  • Bianca Pants says:

    I work in education in California. I work with an at risk population. This is an unbelievably complex topic and I feel this video, while well intentioned, simplified the situation a little too much. The school to prison pipeline has so many more factors that influence it. While Maria alluded to this, I would encourage people who are interested in this to look not only at laws, but all the studies that surround this topic. It’s more of a mess than this video makes it out to be.

  • M S says:

    I think teachers and staff can get a serious power trip and call on an sro for further power. I almost got in MAJOR trouble because I needed to leave for dive practice and the gate lady refused to let me leave because she thought I was making it up. She screamed at me, and even was about to call the sro but a counselor who knows me walked up and was like "hey on your way to dive practice?" Totally unaware

  • Joseph Maldonado says:

    Zero Tolerance policies are so fucked. My high school had a policy that stated any student involved in a fight would receive suspension. I saw a football player who broke up a fight get suspended. I saw a younger kid get suspended because he got fucked up by two older kids (known bullies).

  • Selene Lycan says:

    I’m currently in high school and we have around 5 SROs and sometimes full fledged police officers on campus. They 100% do not make me feel safe, it seems like they wander the halls looking for students to get in trouble, and i’ve seen kids get racially profiled an uncountable amount of times by them. I’ve thankfully only had one interaction with them because I tend to keep my head down and stay out of the way in school, and because i’m white, but i’ve seen students being physically dragged out of class for the simple offense of checking the time on their phone during private work time. SROs don’t uphold the law at my school at all either, I have seen full fledged fights break out right next to SROs who did nothing, people get verbally and sexually harassed extremely often and they do nothing, and in general it seems like they are in a constant power trip. (tldr, I have SROs at my school, they in no way make me feel safer, and they in no way actually keep anyone safe)

  • Selena Phillips says:

    Love that shirt!

  • RockBandRS says:

    When you mentioned the guidelines released by the Obama administration, I thought "I'm sure the Trump administration will undo it," and seconds later you mentioned that it was already undone. I can't believe it's gotten to a point where that response is predictable.

  • Rae Moore says:

    Our SRO knocked up a 17 year old and let some guy beat me up regularly because his family held sway in town. Not much regulation there. He never had any administrative action for his publicly known choices.

  • Joshua G says:

    I had an SRO at my high school and he was a pretty cool guy. He talked to students just as they talked to him. The only time when there was tension when there were 2 large groups in my school ready to start a fight (This pretty much skinhead group against this Latino group). Thanks to the officer calling in some support to help keep the 2 groups separate nothing came of it. Never heard of any arrests. That's my experience with an SRO at least. He just warded against escalation and any potential gun violence. I'm not sure how it is now there but I hope things are still handled well.

  • Brian Holder says:

    Good video and good information to know

  • Omri Winicur says:

    I went to public school on the far east side of Indianapolis. The school has an average of 3,200 students. We had multiple resource officers. Like I know I've seen at least five different officers, and there could be more. Luckily, being a high academically achieving white boy, I never had to deal with the officers.
    BUT I did get fucked over by the "zero tolerance" policies. I got beat up sophomore year by some lowlife degenerate of a student and they suspended me for two days because I "instigated" the "altercation" because I "physically touched" the kid. I literally tapped in on the arm to get his attention and he went fucking berserk on me.

    And don't even get me started on how these "zero tolerance" policies are absolute BULLSHIT when it comes to "anti-bullying". Ain't no fucking anti-bullying efforts actually happen in schools. For 2/3 of middle school and 3/4 of high school I was RELENTLESSLY bullied and no matter who I told, who I reported it to, not a DAMN THING was ever done.

  • Inebriatd says:

    Teachers, students & security officers paying the price for the errors of shit parenting. It starts at the home.

  • Wandering Deadite says:

    I had never heard of school to prison pipeline before this video. I do live in Canada tho.

  • Carson says:

    While I haven't experienced the full scope of School Resource Officers in high schools, I can speak as someone who was in the Colorado public school system at the time of and for several years following the Columbine shooting.

    My experience was that the SRO at my high school was not appropriately trained, but rather tried to employ a "scare straight" tactic with the students. The only time my SRO ever really interacted with the student body was in his annual address, which he gave to students taking PE during their respective periods. It was an ineffective strategy that didn't even reach the entirety of the student body ( only 6 semesters of PE were required to graduate) and only served to use hypothetical circumstances to exaggerate potential consequences. Maybe things are different now, but there was a running joke in my high school that, in the event of as shooting, the SRO would "secure the teachers lounge" and then probably just try to blame and arrest the kids who stood across the street from school property to smoke during their lunch break, since his main past-times were "patrolling" the teachers lounge and harassing the smokers.

  • Charles Rote says:

    So many numbers and stats….

  • M F says:

    I had heard of the school to prison pipeline but that was only because of me falling down a wikipedia rabbit hole not because I was told about it in school. I don't understand what the "debate" about it is. It seems like the data makes it pretty clear that there is as much of a "debate" about this as there is about the climate crisis meaning for political reasons some people don't want to admit it's a thing.

  • BareSphereMass says:

    I dont like the new thumbnail, bring back the old one. It looks super generic. I scrolled past it. Did not know it was a Rogue Rocket video.

  • Pete says:

    People committing violent acts in school is down to their parents, not the SROs who have to deal with thiem. And yes, they are probably on a route to prison later. They shouldn't be in mainstream schools, impacting the rest of the students.
    A better title would be " the broken home to prison pipeline" .

  • Kelandry says:

    As a teacher, it is really important to remove students who are harming themselves and others. I left teaching in the states because I found it too stressful to teach in the states. The problem with many of these zero tolerance policies is that schools are not using common sense in each case. What we need is more resources to help these students who are struggling (our students who are fighting, acting out, etc.). But behaviors of students has gotten so much worse from when I was a student to now that I'm a teacher. The other thing is we need to involve the voice of teachers. I wish RR would have interviewed teachers for this piece to look at ALL angles of this story. Public education in America is a mess, and it is because we don't treat education as a part of a community, and it won't get better unless all parties get involved and have an open conversation.

  • Andrew Arias says:

    Zero tolerance policies are one of the reasons why indiscriminate punishment results in individuals who believe and act with indiscriminate malice. Why show compassion to an entity which is blind to innocence. Want more school shootings? Continue to step on the throats of students, as they cough blood their only thought will be to see your blood.

  • Bin Bon BAM says:

    Why is USA always so frigging…weird. Like why can't they just be normal like some of de other developed countries.

  • XFerginatorX says:

    I know I went to Woodbridge High School back in late 2000s and we had an officer that had a habit of trying to expand his control. There is a lot of stuff he did to other students but my experience is one I will not forget. There was an incident with another student a miscommunication was all. I was simply trying to be a friend but was taken the wrong way. The officer decided to act like a teen himself and gossiped that I was stalking this other person and was talking about it behind my back with my parents and the girl and her parents and other people on my football team saying I was stalking her after school when I simple went to a drinking fountain for my water break from wrestling practice that apparently was near the building this other student was that I had no idea. I didn't know until a week later this was going on as I was left in the dark only to find out he was spreading these rumors to my family and when I point out why I was where I was, when he assumed I was stalking I was extremely upset that a grown adult made a story up and was trying to see about persuading the student to press stalking charges against me to get me thrown in jail. In a way I wish it went to the news about what happened but I was just glad that this drama died out and the security officer was told to back off after find out he was trying to start drama. I almost became part of the statistic, just to help him get a better raise with arrest numbers. I have since then graduate HS and College with Honors and am doing well for myself. But that all could have been ruined by a cop looking to meet a quota.

  • The Last Hydra says:

    Well shit, I guess that explains why so many people / communities in America seem to be against the police

  • Didn DiDo says:

    This is why I have to laugh when politicians use the phrase "…leader of the free world…".

  • calmman32 says:

    Thinking at this from a data driven view point, the data would need to be divided more specifically such as suburban vs urban; union teachers vs non-teachers, economic factors not only for district but within the district as not all schools share or have the same funding. Location in the state makes a difference as how the rules are enforced are different. Then another factor that would be harder to gauge, parent involvement. Interesting topic and one study by one person is simply a call to study more and search for root cause as opposed to surface excuses as there is a zero win situations for specific professions.

  • DudeistBelieve says:

    YOU BETRAYED THE LAW!!! …LA-AW?!?!

  • ChrissiTea says:

    As a non-American, I'd never heard of the "school to prison pipeline", but I was aware of SROs and the extreme no tolerance policies. The concept of potentially being arrested at school for something as minor as writing on a table with an erasable marker is beyond terrifying, and fear is a terrible teaching method.

  • Charles Cumberland says:

    Can you guys cover the pipeline protests and rail blockades in Canada?

  • Damon's Old Soul says:

    First off I am thankful to have graduated before the Columbine massacre. I cannot even imagine what students deal with in the past decade to decade and a half.
    I think the federal government needs to stay out of the schools and let local municipalities set their own rules based on their very specific needs. If a municipality is having a hard time with this, they should be able to look at County administration and, if need be, that of the State they reside in. It needs to be bottom up. Every school district is different and has different needs and concerns. They need to take lead in setting rules for their students. The district should only move up the ladder if they are in need of more assistance than they can provide on their own. Through the entire process, the School District needs to have and keep lead so that things stay designed for their specific needs.
    As for SRO's, they NEED proper training both for that specific position and in how to work with Mental Health issues that may show themselves and how to work with the student to keep from escalating/deescalate the situation at hand. This kind of training is available through organizations like NAMI.

    As a society as a whole, we need to look at where this bullying epidemic is stemming from and address the problem (no matter how uncomfortable it may leave some individuals) itself rather than keeping put tiny bandages on a massive wound. The truth can hurt, but without it, there is no forward movement to better ourselves and the lives of our children.

  • Vanillastump says:

    One reason the kids who have been disciplined deal with juvie officers is because those are the students more prone to acting out/acting impulsively. I agree, the school to prison pipeline is terrible, and SROs are inherently fraught with problems, you have to look at some of these studies with a grain of salt.

  • Diana Boss says:

    Had an SRO that started with my class in elementary school, he followed us to middle school and then high school, he was a great guy, the few times I got in trouble he would sit in on the meetings with whatever administrator but I liked having him around personally

  • Kelly Lohan says:

    This seemed one sided. Correlation isn’t causation. How about the safety measures for student and teachers expelling undisciplined kids vs allowing behavior. Or class interruptions. Or grades of students without behavioral issues. It appears some cases went too far but should be able to pull stats on arrest reason. Violence vs drawing on desk

  • andrew fox says:

    The school to prison pipelines are made up myth by sjw’s to force nonsense ideas on the population. The SRO’s job is to provide safe environment for your kids. While there’s room for improvement in the means of common sense, it’s not the school’s job to babysit your kids. It’s job is educational learning and to prove you child/teens is really ready for the outside world.

    When I went to high school they had the drug doing s doing searches of lockers for drug paraphernalia. And they have to because the kids were selling pot in school and you can tell which ones we’re doing it. Plus mostly in most high schools in especially in inner cities a lot of the problems from home lead out into the school system, so it’s not just the schools fault it just happens that it’s more prolific in today society. Parents need to be more involved in their kids lives and discipline more that’s what’s missing if they are outbursts at school with what is happening at home then. There are resources that county’s can provide that are underutilized or overstressed. Case in point we’ve had kids in my high school who had brought just recently a knife to school after being bullied viciously by other students that was not being addressed by faculty or being brought up to the SRO.

  • Zack Ulysses says:

    Screw it, if (gods forbid) I ever have children, they’re getting home schooled. I’m not taking the chance of my potential child’s life in the hands of an unstable and broken education system.

  • Santiago Bron says:

    students or black students?

    there is a huge difference.

  • DonHusum says:

    It honestly sounds like school kid in the US are being treated like cattle

  • Joelle Jansen says:

    I think that with these zero tolerance policies with no nuance whatsoever you just cement the idea in these kids that "See, the system gave up on me, I guess I'll prove them right". Many of these kids just need someone to believe in them.

  • Pascual Armando Delgado says:

    We had a few officers at our school, but with one officer I just avoided. I never felt safe with him around it just depends on the officer and their temperament

  • MrBelayaa says:

    #wetsuweten would be great if you talked about a real pipeline

  • SmashGhost says:

    Maybe there's a Black culture problem in addition to the issues with the system itself.

  • hannah banana says:

    Did you know in certain states, you can have ANY bachelor degree, and still be a teacher? You can never set foot in a classroom, but as long as you take a test, you can teach. Teachers who have NO experience in how children's minds develop. Who have no idea the psychology and techniques taught to people who actually went to school to teach. You could have a bachelor's in aviary sciences, and can teach a elementary school classroom. These people don't know how to work with children. They expect children to know what they're doing. They believe they're in control of what they're doing and they're doing it purposefully. They've never been taught how to safely restrain a out of control child. That pain is the best way to learn, when it makes things worse.

  • Ailuropoda melanoleuca Nineoneone says:

    Some of those statistics seem iffy. If they got suspended or expelled they were probably already doing things that would lead them to go to prison later.. I think says suspensions are the cause of that Is a bit misleading

  • Ailuropoda melanoleuca Nineoneone says:

    I feel like the issue are the teachers not the sro defiance should not be suspend able offense. The issue is alot of teachers feel they should respect them even before they have done anything to earn the respect of the students

  • Sever says:

    You break the rules, you get punished. Seems reasonable to me. The problem isn’t the officers; it’s how children are being raised and what they think is acceptable

  • Nikki Miller says:

    I graduated in 2002 and was a sophomore when Columbine happened which changed the way our school operated but not really. We didn’t get an officers on campus or metal detectors atleast while I was there. We didn’t have any SROs in our high school. I hope things have changed some since then but clearly not for the better after hearing from a man in my city of Sacramento which is the county I live in and county where all 4 of my schools from grade school, middle school, high school and college were located in.
    (Wow amazing to hear as a expert on the subject, from a man here in Sacramento. It’s people like him I know if you had the chance to have a conversation with him it would be very enlightening as well as educational to show you what’s really going on around you even though you are t there anymore)

  • Haleigh Sanders says:

    The SRO in my school was a joke. He was creepy looking to begin with. But he got busted for selling drugs to students and then turning around and busting them with it.

  • G W B says:

    everyone in the comment section are just reiterating the arguments in the video. Just saying: "I think the real problem is zero tolerance policy" is not a thoughtful comment. But, gold star for watching the video!

  • Tulley DA_Teach says:

    I’ve heard of the school to jail pipeline but I’ve never seen statistics for it. Truth is I hate getting a student suspended or expelled. I’m a teacher And everyday that student is out of my classroom counts against them x2. They normally won’t hit their goals and eventually they can fall into the viscous cycle of lower socioeconomic children/communities and jail. It’s also a disservice to the teachers and students that won’t to give/receive a good education. I know of some cases where a student was given well over the 10 referrals we allow before a hearing has to take place. There are majors/minors and the principal decides which is what. The teachers and students have a right to work/learn in a safe environment. With that being said, appropriate actions have to take place in order to achieve the desired result.

  • Andrea B says:

    Students need adults who listen, advise, and mentor them. Rather than arrest-happy, aggressive SRO's, schools need counselors and caring adults. A GOOD SRO who talks to students and listens to them, trying to help them succeed is fine. An SRO who is arresting kids willy-nilly should be fired.

  • Andrea B says:

    I homeschool partly because I think the US public school system is a mess. I think it needs a complete overhaul if we want it to ever work well for most students. Even with a lot of dedicated, caring, skillful staff members working within it, the broken system makes it difficult for students to succeed and actually learn.

    I actually have a vision for a system that would work much better, but I have no hope that it will ever come to pass. Politicians and entrenched powers-that-be will never stop trying to maintain and defend the broken system we have now.

  • MezzaTheHyena says:

    Instead of arresting students, how about we put money into mental health programs? Considering the number one common factor among school shooters are mental health issues.

  • Sammael Azrael says:

    I don't think charging middle schoolers with felonys is the right path to go down dealing with behavior issues.

  • Stoshnut says:

    Our SRO was one of the students dad. We always thought of him as someone protecting us from outside threats and not each other. Granted we almost never had fights. I grew up in a smallish town in Pennsylvania. Like first day of hunting is a holiday, and the day after someone forgot to take their guns out of the bed of their truck. So the student went to the office and told them and SRO went and removed the guns and took them to the police station for the dad to collect. That was it. How are we justifying kids being arrested? Detention my dude. I had to come in once to clean desks before school and never got a detention again.

  • Meghan McDonnell says:

    Friend's son of mine had to go to school with the kid who molested his little sister (small town). The school had a safety plan that was not followed and the two ended up meeting. The motestor said some shit and the son punched him in the face. The son was expelled because they have a zero tolerance policy for fighting. The molester got to f-ing stay in school. Zero tolerance policies are bullshit.

  • Harikusa says:

    Government controlling your life and the way they do it makes my blood boil, because it's as always, poorly controlled and injuste to extreme.

  • SanSamurae says:

    Never heard of the "School to Prison Pipeline" and now that I have…Why? Zero tolerance on kids? What the hell? Has that worked anywhere?

  • Katie Souter says:

    My high school experience involved a ton of fighting. The kids actively tried to kill each other. All the time. You know who broke most of those fights up? The SRO. The man was a damn hero.

  • Mishawaka Post says:

    We didn't have school resource officers when I was in school. If I brought hunting rifles or shotguns to school nobody would bat an eye. They just assumed I was going hunting after school.

  • TheArchersBows says:

    This unfortunately has a lot of anecdotal evidence and assuming correlation is equal to causation on a topic where there are many more factors on the issues at hand but the video really only highlights a few and really goes for the throat on them. As far as hormonal teenagers and children whose brains are still developing, parenting can be considered one of the largest factors of the behavior of students and thus a factor in violence and incidents but one that's (almost) impossible to measure outside of reported abuse. I will say, though, that I'm really glad you touched on the idea of training SROs like counselors or with general guidance and support of the students in mind. I really believe there should be more emotional support for the youth while still teaching that actions have consequences.

    Please don't respond to this comment with obvious fallacies or misrepresent my opinion with straw man arguments. I'm really just trying to give critical feedback because I support Rogue Rocket. I won't feed trolls who only make 1-dimensional arguments

  • kitt says:

    When I was overly punished for tiny things I didn't mean to do at school I just acted out more because I thought 'well what's the point in behaving if I get in trouble anyway? I may as well not even bother'

  • Taragon Leaf says:

    I didn't even know schools had police until I moved into a city. My little country school of 300 never had one. And even then, it was a single police officer from the county.

  • Nathan Prindler says:

    Why does this video never even entertain the idea that correlation does not imply causation? Getting suspended isn't what makes you more likely to get arrested or dropout.

  • Taragon Leaf says:

    Why don't we hear about the single mother household to prison pipeline?

  • GZDude13 says:

    In fact, there was an SRO at my school. No, I didn't feel safe. I was accused of bringing in drugs, threatening other students, and then threatened by the SRO for (in some cases) doing the right thing. Had teachers not spoken up on my behalf I may be GZPrisonDude13.

  • Fluffymiyster says:

    I moved to New Orleans for my senior year of high school and it was the first time I'd ever gone to a school with not only officers there but also metal detectors. Did either make me feel safer? Well, it was 2007, 2008 so shooting up schools was much less common. Not only that, but I knew a million ways to smuggle something metal into school (back then, having a phone at school wasn't allowed. Flip phones with removable batteries were the norm and it was only the battery that set off the alarm. Keep the body of the phone hidden on you as you go through the detector and stash the battery in a metal-ringed binder, a small compartment of your backpack or amongst your tampons if you're a girl ((more likely to be missed if the officers are male)) and there you go, you just smuggled in a phone. Now, do the same with a small knife…you get my point, it's still rather easy). So no, the detectors and officers never made me feel particularly safer. In truth, they became a bit of an obstacle to overcome, lol.

    All this said, my school did have a lot of fights and kids were from gangs. It got so bad that for weeks, they made us walk in a single direction anywhere we wanted to go (the school was shaped like a square tower with three sides of the square having stairs. Even if a close staircase would lead to your next class faster, you had to go counter-clockwise around the halls to reach the next set of stairs, then continue counter-clockwise until you reached that class. This lead to lots of tardiness…or an excuse for lateness).

    Did I ever witness any arrests? No, but I'm not a good source. If a fight broke out, I stayed in my seat, unlike everyone else. I made it clear I wasn't there to get caught up in the foolishness as it was my last year; I didn't have time for the bullshit 🙂 So, my opinion on SRO's is middle of the road but absolutely training needs to be done to handle students as students until a genuine situation arises where an arrest is actually needed. And no, most school fights don't require putting someone behind bars.

  • The Riff Writer says:

    I have no interest to hear what the head SRO has to say about SROs. A shoe salesman will always tell you it's time for a new pair of boots.

  • Bad_Mix says:

    this is madness

  • SonzBros says:

    Hmmm there seems to be very little money for politicians to make from counseling and helping. I doubt any major changes will happen with our current system.

  • Haywood Jablomie says:

    70% come from broken or single mother homes. Disgusting statistic if you ask me.

  • Lt.Dan457 says:

    Don't wanna do the time, don't do the time.

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